Electric charging stations file photo

Electric charging stations, like this one on the Indiana Toll Road in Rolling Prairie, are becoming more common.

GOSHEN — The City of Goshen’s Department of Environmental Resilience is teaming up with the Michiana Area Council of Governments (MACOG) and South Shore Clean Cities to present an Electric Vehicle Expo as part of the annual National Drive Electric Week, organizers announced Wednesday.

Attendees will have a chance to get behind the wheel to experience electric vehicles firsthand and to hear from local owners about the benefits of the vehicles. The event is free and open to the public.

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fire111

Here is what I found JoeY! Lithium battery packs contain some semi valuable chemicals and elements. But very little recycling takes place. We're not talking little flashlight batteries here JK! We are talking 1400 pound monstrosities! They are either burned (pyrometallurgy) or more or less soaked in chemicals (hydrometallurgy). Neither is a good thing Joe!! You see Joe these batteries contain cobalt, nickel and manganese. That is what the companies are after! But Tesla knows they can't make a go with the batteries so they are developing a different battery type! They won't have the cobalt, nickel or manganese. Makes the car battery much less expensive. Hence the car less expensive! BUT ! BAD NEWS Joe! That also makes the lithium battery recycle unprofitable! And with out that recycle program it creates a HUGE environmental tragedy looming! And with 140 million electric vehicles by 2030.... well. Oh. And I guess you missed that part about where I got my info. University of Leicester UK! A preeminent and renowned learning facility! The website is science.org. And some info from National Observer a Canadian news paper published and owned by Dow Jones! Kind of beats your Mad Magazine info! Just sayin!!! Oh .. Then there is that replacement cost on the battery. What is it? About $4000. I could be wrong there. It may be higher. And how much will it cost to charge that puppy overnight. And so you drive that toy until it's almost dead and you limp home. Middle of the night and you have an emergency... I only have 1 charging bar. I can't get out of the garage! I know I KNOW I'm TERRIBLE!

Joe King

The problem isn’t the science, the EVs, the charging stations or using renewable energy like the rest of the world….the problem is convincing old people who are set in their ways that things could be better….time for them to retire their Pontiac’s and Oldsmobile and give the keys to their kids and let the next generation take over and fix what they caused….see below comments for proof.

fire111

Good come back Joe! I luv it! I'm all for electric powered cars. They are more powerful and have instant power. You do know that a level 1 charger that most homes can operate only, on an extension cord, takes ALL night to charge the battery! A level 2 charges quicker. But you need 200amp service. Most homes are standard @100 amp! And Joe.... that renewable energy thingy. Those available charging stations are powered by differing systems. Coal, natural gas , solar, wind, hydro, nuke, etc! It may or may not be renewable! And I was reading about the power loss when using the HVAC system on EVs. Seems it can be substantial. Up to 50% loss of mileage! So I can see it now! Huge apartment housing complexes with your own little plug in umbilical cords. Gosh Joe! You would not have believed my driveway back in the day! My truck, my wife's car and 3 kids driving to school. Those boys were in sports all year long. Fall cross country winter swimming , spring track. Summer, maybe extra school or training and a job. I would have been NIPSCO's top customer! So I also asked GOOGLE about those big huge trains that come through Elkhart County continuously. Seems they are powered by electric drive motors. Great! What powers those motors? Diesel!! Back to steam I say. Much more powerful! But those were coal powered steam engines! So you see JoeY! It is about SCIENCE! And your little off the shoulder comments are cute but hold no stead! Just thought of something! How about all those people that rent in the inner cities. Will they run orange extension cords out their apartment widows. Can you imagine that?

fire111

JoeY! I don't know whether this will get posted or not. But! I went to Tesla.com to get some info on their battery pack! Seems the battery pack is made up of 6831 single cell lithium-ion batteries. Replacement cost.... somewhere in the $14,000 range. Heck! Most people are financing a regular gas powered buggy 5-6 years now. I know I'm old but my first brand new home cost me $26900 in 1973! Takes more than half that for a battery pack! Wonder I u can get em cheaper at Batteries R US!

sidearm

Joe, answer the question. Where is the energy coming from to charge the charging stations. I don’t need to hear your opinions. I want to know what energy fairy is going to supply the charging stations. If you have no answer just say so.

Joe King

Since Indiana is phasing out it’s coal plants, the energy is coming from renewables and nuclear. It wasn’t a hard question…even you could have answered it…

fire111

Joe never has answers! Just ridiculous rhetoric! He evidently finds no value in research or questions. It's very easy to find that lithium recycling is mostly a dangerous concept at best! Then there is the question of if our electrical grid system could even handle the additional need to charge the EVs. We have rolling blackouts now! Adding many millions of autos on charging stations seems impossible! But hey! Pie in the sky for Joe! Joe is what is known as a sheeple member! But you have to admit, Joey must be reverting to his ancestry ....... horse to auto! Great statement! Eh sidearm. We love him though!

Revolution 1776

What happens to the lithium from the batteries at the end of use ?

sidearm

Another question, what energy is used to charge the charging stations? The electric vehicle scam is like a game of 3 card Monty, you never find the savings because they aren’t there.

How many acres of solar panels does it take to power a charging station?

Joe King

Sidearm, did you say the same thing when you went from horse and buggy to car? You truly are scared of change, science and progress…. Solar panels, nuclear energy are much cleaner than coal and fossil fuels…EVs and hydrogen are the future…fossil fuels are dying and left for the commercial larger engines…complain all you want, all manufacturers are discontinuing combustible engines…you won’t have a choice…embrace it or get left behind

Joe King

You recycle them.

fire111

Gosh Rev 1776 ... great question! As it stands now, there is no viable way to recycle lithium batteries. Very hazardous! According to the website science.org and materials scientist Dana Thompson, of the University of Leicester, to recycle lithium-ion batteries is very hazardous! Current EV batteries are NOT designed to be recycled. There could be 145 million EVs on the roads by 2030. And gosh we still need fossil fuels to charge the EVs. We need hydrogen powered cars. But wait! The byproduct of hydrogen powered cars is..... water released. Then we would have a severe moisture problem worldwide. That would harbor more disease, more mold more... Well you get the idea! Where is George Jetson when ya need him! But great question Rev!

Joe King

Please check your facts. It is widely known and accepted that car batteries including lithium can be recycled. You clearly know nothing about this.

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